In the latest episode of Charisms for Catholics, Jill Simons hosts Lisa Brenninkmeyer, the influential founder of Walking with Purpose. Titled “Confidence & Identity,” this engaging conversation delves into the continuous journey women face in discovering their true identity in God, the significant role of spiritual gifts, and the transformative power of scripture.
Discovering True Identity
Lisa Brenninkmeyer emphasizes that understanding one’s identity as a child of God is a continuous challenge for many women. Despite lifelong efforts and learning, the struggle to firmly grasp this identity is ongoing. This, she explains, is the foundation of Walking with Purpose’s mission—providing materials and programs that help women solidify their sense of self through scripture.
The Role of Spiritual Gifts
Both Jill and Lisa agree on the importance of recognizing and utilizing spiritual gifts. These gifts not only help individuals understand their calling but also play a vital role in building the church. Lisa shares her personal journey, revealing how her spiritual gifts evolved from her teenage years, leading to the eventual creation of Walking with Purpose. Early in her high school years, an assessment introduced her to spiritual gifts, which helped her identify her calling in evangelization and pastoral roles initially.
Emphasis on Scripture
A significant aspect of handling identity crises lies in scripture. Lisa shares that deep theological study has reinforced her belief in the power of scripture to build confidence and provide a life framework. She recommends the “Fearless and Free” study from Walking with Purpose for those grappling with identity issues. This study focuses on healing and achieving wholeness in Christ, addressing identity lies, and promoting the truth found in scripture.
Adapting to New Roles
Interestingly, Lisa notes a shift in her roles over the years. Once heavily invested in pastoral duties, she now finds her focus leaning more toward evangelization. Jill relates, sharing how her gift of craftsmanship became less central over time.
Flourish 2024 Conference
Lisa also highlights the upcoming “Flourish 2024” conference, scheduled from November 1st to 3rd in Dallas, Texas. Organized in partnership with X 29, this event promises to be an enriching experience. With featured speakers such as Father John Ricardo, Heather Kim, Sister Josephine Garrett, and Sarah Kroeger, the conference aims to address contemporary issues like identity crises, loneliness, and anxiety, under the theme “The Art of Being Human.“
Resources and Community
Walking with Purpose continues to develop resources for the Christian and Catholic community. Their website offers various tools, including downloadable content and training materials, a store for Bible studies, and opportunities to join or lead study groups. Additionally, Jill invites listeners to join the new Charism Collective Community, a free platform connecting individuals with similar charisms worldwide. This community aims to facilitate authentic, person-to-person online interactions.
A Personal Touch
Despite Walking with Purpose’s significant growth, Lisa reveals that her greatest joy stems from small, personal interactions over large-scale impacts. She stresses that true ministry fruitfulness cannot be measured by numbers alone.
The conversation with Lisa Brenninkmeyer is a treasure trove of insights for anyone on their spiritual journey. From struggling with identity to recognizing and adapting spiritual gifts, listeners are reminded that God’s personal involvement in our lives is continuous and ever-evolving.
For more enriching resources, visit the Walking with Purpose website, and don’t forget to mark your calendars for the Flourish 2024 conference. Join the Charism Collective Community to connect and grow with like-minded individuals in a supportive, faith-based environment.
Jill Simons:
Hello, and welcome to Charisms for Catholics. My name is Jill Simons, and I’m the executive director at Many Parts Ministries, where we equip the body of Christ by helping people learn about and discern their charisms, which is really word for spiritual gifts. When you discern your charisms, you’re able to see how the holy spirit is already active in your life and where he is inviting you to further build the church. Let’s dive in. Hello and welcome to today’s episode of Charisms for Catholics. I have such an exciting special guest here with me today. I have been using Lisa Brennick Meyer’s work for years. I have loved everything that has come out of her company, Walking with Purpose on the front of Bible study, studying scripture.
Jill Simons:
And this has caused one of the biggest changes in my life for understanding how my spiritual gifts fit into the holistic context of a Christian life. Because before really understanding what it was that God said about me and what it says in scriptures, I was constantly looking at these gifts that I had been given as ways to earn more approval from God and develop a deeper relationship with God, and that is not what he wants. And so I could not be more thrilled to have Lisa here with me today to talk about her own journey with spiritual gifts and how the scripture has informed that journey. So, Lisa, thank you so much for being here with me today.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
Oh, it is my pleasure. I’m super excited about the work you’re doing. And so this is gonna be a very fun conversation for me. I’ve really looked forward to it.
Jill Simons:
So I would love to hear about where your journey started with spiritual gifts and also with scripture study.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
Sure. Scripture study came first. I grew up an evangelical Catholic and was introduced to reading the Bible in a way that was relevant to my own life, honestly, as far back as I can remember. Like, I have distinct memories of being 4 and things being taught to me in a way from scripture that made sense to me and had relevance to my 4 year old life, and that that just carried on throughout childhood and into high school, into college, very much shaping me, forming me in my walk with God, and I would say probably my first encounter with spiritual gifts would have been early high school that I I was I always had someone mentoring me, whether it was a youth pastor or just an older woman who was playing that role in my life, and it was a mentor who brought this whole concept to me, had me do had me do an assessment, and, yeah, it was really the first that I started thinking about things that were unique about me, that God really wanted me to use for the benefit of the kingdom. And, yes, I’ve remained very interested in it, I would say, really my whole adult life, because I think it is so critical to know what our gifts are in order to be able to narrow down what God is calling us to. If we’re people that just have tons and tons of interest and we want to do everything, that’s how I’m wired, not enough hours in the day, but for those of us who aren’t necessarily wired that way to have the confidence that comes from knowing, no. God did not skip you. There is nobody no baptized Christian that has been skipped over in the giving of spiritual gifts, so, yeah, I I’ve always honestly thought that it was pretty critical that we grow in our understanding of this.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
When I
Jill Simons:
love I’ve never really thought of it as as being the spectrum before, but I love how you just presented that where there’s, like, the spectrum of people who just naturally buy into the overwhelm of being multi passionate and having all those things, and we get limited on that side from just having such breadth of interest all the way to the opposite end of the spectrum of people that feel like there is nothing that that is to give. And I think probably you and I both fall into the category of people who are like, what is boredom? No, I guess what that is. We are very multi passionate and have a lot of things going on in our lives and things like that. And it’s and that’s, I think, part of the place where my guess is we both come from in the passion we have for everyone realizing what it is that they have to give because it’s been such a big part of my life. I know such a big part of your life. And so was there an aspect of knowing your spiritual gifts that led you into founding the organization that you did?
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
Without question. And so I think that I found myself naturally drawn to certain certain behaviors like that of gathering. I’ve always been someone that wants to gather women. I’ve always been very conscious of the importance of not excluding and knowing identified really by, I would say, yeah, probably the first assessment I took, but I have really distinct memories in high school of recognizing that I had the spiritual gift of evangelization, and that was something that really gave me permission to to step out with people who I didn’t think would necessarily be interested in bible study. My probably second top gift is something that really developed later, but knowing that evangelization and and at the time that pastoral gifting was really strong in me, really said to me, okay, so if I don’t do these things, then maybe they’re not gonna be done in quite that some way because I think that combination of the 2, the evangelization and the pastoring, was really, really important for the distinction of the way that Walking With Purpose moves into that Bible study space, because I think that if you’ve got the gift of pastoring, which means you’re going to you’re gonna have a gift for gathering people, you’re gonna have a heart for that, that, on mass, we aren’t ministered to the same way we are within a small group, and you really wanna see people have that community experience, and you wanna tend to them in it, you wanna tend to their hearts. If I didn’t at the same time know that your strongest gift is evangelization, then I think what could have happened is I could have really contented myself with Walking With Purpose being a content machine that was giving every single year something fresh to the holy huddle. Okay? That’s not what Walking With Purpose is about, but and that’s been a very big thing we talk about at the board level and our our staff family in terms of our mission because we really want to go wide. We want to see women who don’t know Christ personally, who don’t know who they are in him, come to know him, so those giftings together have caused me to pour my life into the specific work I do, but also that motive, if that makes sense, of always reaching the furthest person out, which is a real distinctive of walking with purpose.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
That really came through recognizing my gifts.
Jill Simons:
That is so cool. I have such clear memories at several different distinct points in my life of being in communities where we chose a walking with purpose study specifically because of the variety of whether it was, like, actual faiths, whether they were different denominations of Christians or because of the different ages of women or something like that, and there was that, like, diversity of outreach that was so unique to that. And I don’t know that I could have articulated, oh, I wonder if Lisa has an evangelism, hears them, but that makes perfect sense coming from that place. And that’s one of those things that we talk so often about how the same end result can come from different places. So you could have had somebody with teaching and knowledge decide to start a company that was providing Bible studies and everything about how it is flavored and positioned and everything would be different. And that is we just get such a unique expression of your gifts specifically in the company that you formed formed and the studies that you guys create that is just a really beautiful gift, like you said, that so many people would just would not have received without you doing.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
Can I tell you something kinda interesting? Yeah. So I’ve done a bunch of different assessments over the years. Of course, when I was Protestant, I wasn’t doing a Catholic assessment. I was doing Protestant assessments, and I’ve done, you know, a different Catholic one, and I’ve done the many parts assessment as well. Early days of ministry for me, the pastoral gifting came out really strong. When I most recently took it, it did not, And what what strikes me is there are certain things that have stayed steady all the time, and it’s not that I no longer believe in the importance of gathering or of of any of those things. But right now, in this season that I’m in, it’s almost like in Walking With Purpose, I’ve built that part of it, and now it’s the Lord is calling me really passionately over here. And so I wonder because the question for you, I wonder if there are certain giftings that come to the surface for a time and for a purpose and then fade back, but then certain things remain steady throughout your life.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
Do you think that’s the case? Because I was surprised pastoral didn’t pop up higher, but I’m like but I’m actually not as passionate about that right now because I feel like that’s set up. But evangelization, like, still quite a bit to do. Yeah.
Jill Simons:
No. That is really common. There’s a huge seasonality element to gifts because of the way that they really equip us for the different stages of life. And every gift can be expressed in some way at every stage of life. But just like everything you can do, you don’t have to do, it doesn’t mean that everything that is available is for you. And so it’s very common to see ebbs and flows in what is at the highest point. Usually, and just as kind of a general rule, we don’t believe that God takes away a gifting, but it can 100% recede into the background. This is not what we’re doing right now.
Jill Simons:
This is not the primary thing we’re doing. And that makes a lot of sense because you are not probably putting the bulk and God is not calling you to put the bulk of your attention in the room with a small group of people unless it’s maybe your staff.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
Yeah. But I would say for the first so I’ve been doing women’s ministry now since 1991. So how many years is that? I don’t even know. That’s a lot of math for me. It’s over 30 years. Okay. Oh, the magic number 33. So then I would say that I leaned on the pastoral gifting probably for, yeah, I don’t know, 28 of those years, like really a long time, so it’s really more recent now.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
Yeah. That certain things have been built, certain things are in place, and so my focus is being taken up a little bit more by by other giftings. Yeah.
Jill Simons:
I can see my story is similar with craftsmanship where I, like, doing the, like, actual art of things was such a big part of what I did for so many years. And now even as I I retake each new iteration of the assessment just to check it and go through things, and now sometimes when I get to the craftsmanship questions, I’m like, oh, I can do that. I I don’t really think of that anymore because that’s not really where the scope of the work is primarily for me. So I definitely resonate with and understand that. I would love to hear about how your developing identity through the study of scripture has created the space for this confidence that you did have to go after creating what you really felt called to create?
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
Yeah. I would say, yeah, thinking of confidence, like, leaning into that word, because I’d studied scripture enough from an early age, it was really foundational in my whole world view that the way I would put it is that no matter what’s going on in your life, if you are sinking, if you’re flailing, if you feel like everything is chaotic, there is a bottom that you can land on. There’s, like, a foundational truth and a way of looking at the world and life that you can get to and then spring back up. And I found that through scripture. It was scripture that I found gave me that overall perspective on why we are here, who God is, how he sees me, who I am, that my life has a purpose, where we’re all heading, like these really big questions, and knowing that the deeper I got into scripture study, and I’ve been pursuing my master’s at Franciscan, knowing the deeper I’ve gone just into theological studies as well, it only all rings more true. It doesn’t start to fall apart, and actually you just get more and more solid, so it’s always given me great confidence to be able to say to women, do you want to know who you are? Do you want to experience inner peace? Do you want to have information about who you are in life that you can trust even at a time when you don’t even know what news to watch because everything is so, whatever, fed to us from different perspectives, right, and frankly different echo chambers? Do you want that kind of solidity? I know when I say to them, if you will get into scripture and study it in the way that I’m I’m leading you to, so not just as, like, an academic study, but really as something that’s taking the journey from the head to the heart and then out into your life, I’m totally confident it’s gonna change our life. Yeah. Totally, 100%, and I have I’ve not seen an exception to the rule.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
If a woman will give the Lord access to her heart, if she will not do that, then it’s not gonna change her life. Yeah. But if she will, without fail, it will, which gives me tremendous confidence in encouraging people to come, even people who aren’t super academic or aren’t interested in the bible or whatever it would be. Yeah. So I feel a lot of confidence in being able to direct them that way.
Jill Simons:
Yeah. Absolutely. I know there are a lot of people that take our assessment and score lower lower than they would want. I think probably you’ll ask score lower than we would want on their identity and kind of that component of things which we include so that there’s a context for where are you actually at holistically, spiritually in the receiving of these gifts. And one of the biggest questions we get is how can we move that up? How can we address that identity score? So if you had to point people to a resource at walking with purpose or a specific study or something like that, it could be a place to start on that identity boot camp, for lack of a better word, where would you point them?
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
Okay. That is a really great question. And so I would say start with fearless and free Okay. Which is a deep dive into our study. It’s on finding healing and wholeness in Christ. And so it’s one that someone might say, don’t have to work my way up to that, because we have introductory studies, opening your heart, living in the father’s love, but I would say if that’s what you’re after, start there, because what it starts to do is to explore your own story and the lies that you have come to believe about your identity, because those identity lies are the most foundational, right? So we do a lot of identity work in Fearless and Free, and it has also very much informed both our middle school girls program and our high school girls program, so those have been more recent developments. With the middle school girls program, so if you’re a mom listening and you have a daughter that age, I strongly encourage you to look into BLAZE because the whole point of Blaise is to give moms language to talk to their daughters about things. Really, identity is a huge part of it and her relationship with God and just and the whole program is based on truth versus lies.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
So this is a lie that the world is gonna speak over your life much of which has to do with identity but this is the truth we find in scripture and if you will choose to grab hold of who God says you are instead of all the other voices that’s gonna change your life. So I developed the middle school program first and then most recently, just last spring, released the high school program called Sisters of Strength. And the way that program started was my working with high school girls and wanting to do Bible study with them. And I’ll tell you my my fire for evangelization was as hot as anywhere at our local Catholic school. And you might be like, oh the local Catholic Catholic school, don’t those girls already know Jesus? Don’t those girls already know who they are? Yeah. No. And getting in there with them, I came in ready to do Bible study with them because we have young adult Bible studies, and they were nowhere near interested in or ready for Bible study. And so everything changed with these girls when I just asked them questions like, If you could have any question answered, and it doesn’t have to have anything to do with your faith, what would you want answered? And, I developed a curriculum which I worked on for 7 years with them, trying things out, realizing this didn’t work, this isn’t when I try to answer it that way it doesn’t resonate, and the end result of their questions is this program which a mom or a just slightly older adult can do with girls and a book that the girls can just read on their own.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
Okay, so there are 2 different ways you can access this material, totally based on the questions they asked, broken down into 3 sections. The first is identity, the next is friendship, and then purpose, and in some ways that’s my favorite. The high school program might be my favorite, it’s the most recent I’ve done, but with identity work, this is an ongoing battle for women because I have taught on this, I’ve written on this, I’ve been told since I was a little girl that I’m a child of God. You go to school, sweetheart, kids aren’t kind to you, you just know in your heart you’re a daughter of the king. They may not know. Like, this has been poured into me from day 1, but I can be just as derailed by an identity lie as anyone. I think I get back on on my feet a little quicker than most, but we’re all taken out by this. And so as I’ve continued to learn, there are things in the high school program that weren’t fearless and free because I haven’t learned it yet.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
The word is still teaching me.
Jill Simons:
That’s so beautiful. I just love referring people to your products because they are such a good everything goes back to the scripture that you’re based on, and it’s really allowing them to sink their teeth into something that part of the identity might lie might be that’s unapproachable for them to even be able to do that. So even just the existence of these things is helping people there, and that is something that I’ve started making a regular recommendation. And I will add the specific fearless and free, but going telling people that wanna work on their identity to check out the studies and things like that because the answer is always gonna come from the mouth of God. These the the what is going to fix the problem is always going to be from his mouth and, of course, his word we have from his mouth as well as him speaking to us still today, and so that’s so beautiful. And I just want everybody listening, like, people tell me, people tell Lisa, we’re they’re so thankful for our work and things like that. This is just us doing what it is that we’re called to do, and it’s just as important that you do what you are called to do. And this is what Lisa and I were actually talking about before we got on and started recording was how much every single one of us relies on other people to say yes to what God has for them.
Jill Simons:
And just because somebody’s circle of influence or something like that might be larger, it doesn’t mean that it is any less of a vital impact for you to do what you’re called to do in your circle. So no matter where you’re at with your spiritual gifts, I just really wanna encourage you that if you have a dream starting an incredible large apostolate like walking with purpose like Lisa, it’s not too big. And that’s where I’d love to end with you, Lisa. If you share about your journey with how much this has grown and how much fruit you have seen with that? Is that something that you imagined in the beginning? Did God give you a vision for it? Or has this been a surprise or what has that looked like?
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
Oh, this has been a total surprise and I never set out to be a part of the building of something with this degree of impact at all, and I think that part of that is because I don’t believe there’s anything more exciting than seeing the light go on in one person’s eyes when they realize all these things about God and God’s love. This actually is for me personally. He sees me. He knows me. He cares about my dreams, my longings, my hurts, my story. When it says God’s never gonna leave us or forsake us, he’s not, like, making this blanket statement over, like, mankind. He’s talking to me. He’s talking to you.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
And because it is such a thrill to see an individual person come alive in faith in Christ, I’ve always had more of a thrill on the local level, honestly, than I have with the masses, and early on with Walking With Purpose, so we incorporated in 2008, I had been doing women’s ministry since, the early nineties, always wanting that ministry to be fruitful, right? So being aware of numbers. If numbers were to drop, that would have discouraged me, but but there came a really clear moment probably when we were right around when we had maybe 5 Walking with Purpose groups outside of the one that I was leading in my parish, and I very distinct and at that point I could have told you exactly how many women were involved, how many leaders were being trained, and I, as clear as day, felt the Lord say to me stop counting. And it was very clear to me that was for a couple reasons. 1, it’s gonna always be a temptation to pride if it goes well. Mhmm. It’s also going to be a reason to get discouraged if it if you feel numbers are dropping. It’s going to feed the temptation to take credit for that which only belongs to the Lord, so the most fruitful, impactful ministry is not measured by numbers. And when we’re gonna really see what were the true results of that seed planted, of that one conversation that was had of of that woman saying, selfishly, this is really what I wanna do right now, but I’m gonna give generously in this way, and it could be in any one of these different spiritual giftings.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
We’re not gonna know the real impact on that until the other side of heaven. I think and I think that might be part of what we get to do in eternity is that we get to see, oh my goodness, what seemed like not that big a deal actually had this ripple effect. Any of these talc works, anything with local ministry, credit goes to the Lord because it’s only the Holy Spirit that’s gonna really move a heart and have the kind of lasting impact that we wanna see, and that’s not to diminish our part in it. It’s an absolute thrill and an honor to be a part of it, and it does matter if we give the Lord our fiat, our yes, and we step out, but we don’t get credit for it. And so as this has grown, yeah, it’s crazy to me, and I’m also not great with numbers. I typically don’t remember even how many parishes do we have, how many leaders, how many whatever, but recently a number has really stuck with me because currently we are we have about 70,000 women a year that are engaging with our Bible studies and our materials, and when I was at the National Eucharistic Congress and standing in that stadium and seeing it fall, I thought it’s more than this space, and that visually for me was sane. I I will admit, like, I had a moment of saying, Lord, look at what you have done. And with someone who felt I knew I had spiritual gifts, so that was always helpful to know.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
I have the gift of evangelism, of writing, of knowledge, that that did help. But I feel so inadequate each and every day. Every time I step out to speak, there are 20 bajillion things that make me think, why am I even doing this? I am not good at this. I’m not equipped for this. It’s too much, I can’t do this and do family, and in my weakness, I come to the Lord each and every time and say, this is the best I can offer you. I can’t think of a time when I’ve given a talk and I’ve really felt adequately prepared because something has happened in my family where I’ve had to tend to a greater need, but each and every time the Lord has shown up, and so I’m like, Lynn, credit to you. It’s what I have to say. I’ll give you my yes, but credit to you.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
So, no, I didn’t expect it. And still to this day, I get a greater thrill from working with middle school girls at our local Catholic school and seeing the light bulbs go off than I just did at the NEC and there were, like, thousands of people. And that was I was thrilled. That was fun. That was a great honor. But, like, the real joy of serving the Lord comes 1 on 1 and at that level, at a very small level. The very number that someone might go, is it even worth pouring my all into just this group size? I think actually that’s where the greatest joy is.
Jill Simons:
Yeah. That is so such a hallmark of someone who does have pastoring as an overarching gift, and that is just a beautiful expression of the way that God wants to show up through you. And that’s how I love thinking about spiritual gifts is that they’re all kind of facets of the face of God that he’s wanting to make present in the world through us in unique ways. And so that’s just a beautiful way that he does that through you. So thank you so much not just for being with us today, though I’m so happy that, you know, agreed to be on this podcast, but also for your yes over those 30 plus years of service and for all of the continued resources that you are making for the Christian community and the Catholic community specifically around bible study. I just I’m so thankful for your yes to this work. And I am for yours very much, Jill. I’d love for you to share how people can get involved in what Walking with Purpose has coming down the pipeline, especially this fall.
Jill Simons:
If there’s something that they can check out, I’d love for you to share about that.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
Sure. So if you’re interested in learning more about walking with purpose, I just encourage you to go to our website walking with purpose.com because that’s where you can see how you could join a group, how you could get trained if you wanted to lead a group. We’ve got a ton of just content materials that you could just download and tap into right then and there. That’s where our store is where you can buy the Bible studies. But something really exciting that is just going to be this fall, we have an event, a conference called Flourish 2024, which will be November 1st through 3rd in Dallas, Texas, and I’m really excited. We’re partnering with X 29. So father John Ricardo is going to be doing a lot of teaching there, and we’ve got Heather Kim speaking, sister Josephine Garrett. We’ve got Sarah Kroeger doing the music, it’s it’s gonna be really an incredible time, and the theme of it is the art of being human, and so back to your comment, Jill, about the importance of identity, we really believe we’re in the midst of an identity crisis, we’re in the midst of a loneliness epidemic, and I don’t need to tell you about the skyrocketing anxiety rates.
Lisa Brenninkmeyer:
And what I really believe in and this isn’t at all just me, this is true in the secular world as well. We’re realizing something’s wrong, and we’re realizing that we are losing what it means to be human in very basic ways. And so that’s what this conference is about, is coming together and really looking at what God says about what it means to be human, what God’s perspective is on how we can live more fully, and in that, really seeing the inherent dignity in ourselves and in others. And I think it’s gonna be a one of a kind conference because, this goes back to the gifting of evangelism, I think it’s incredibly important that we have events that invite encounter, personal encounter, and experience with Jesus Christ, and that it be something that is accessible to someone who is not, right now, a believer or a follower of Christ and who has walked away from the church, walked away from the Lord, and so we put a tremendous amount of effort into building an on ramp. We do not assume if you’ve come, you’re ready to jump right in. So this is a really, really good conference, and I don’t think I’m over speaking to say the only one like it, or you can invite a friend who is searching but who does not really have a relationship with God at all, and she will be met where she is, and she will be led to to stretch herself and her beliefs, but in a way that’s super respectful and careful and, I would say, slow, you know, over the weekend, but she will have that chance to encounter the Lord, but in a way that she’ll feel seen and respected right where she is when she starts. So we’d love for you to join us, and you can get more info on the website about that for Flourish, November 1st through 3rd at the Hyatt Regency in Dallas, Texas.
Jill Simons:
Awesome. Thank you so much, Lisa. Thank you to all you listening. We are so thankful for you showing up week after week. If you haven’t already, make sure to check out the Charism Collective community. That’s our brand new free community where you can join at the link in the show notes. It is, like I said, completely free where you can connect with other people with the same charisms as you all over the world. Nothing like this has ever existed before and it’s a really cool way for us to learn from each other.
Jill Simons:
So when we can’t have the experience of being in person together, we can still have those authentic person to person encounters, especially around the specific gifts that we have. I’ll see you next week. God bless. Thanks so much for joining us on today’s episode of Charisms for Catholics. If you would like to learn more about your charisms or begin your own discernment journey, head to our website at many partsministries dotcom where you can download our free PDF guide to all 24 charisms and also begin your own journey by taking our charism assessment.
